Die Deutschen

[Grant]

2 hours ago, Deutsch Par said:

Are we just supposed to sit on our hands while the club nose dives into League 1 because these a*******s have wasted everyone's time and systematically destroyed the first team?  

Not that I disagree, but what do you suggest? 

Every Pars fan I know wants the gaffer gone, however every Pars fan I know is also aware a change in ownership is potentially occurring and that's leaving us in limbo. I don't agree with it, but what can you or I do? 

11 minutes ago, DA-go Par Adonis said:

I reckon there's enough there for top 4.

Also, momentum is obviously a big factor at our level, but I'm not convinced Falkirk have masses more talent on the player front than we do - and they're looking like challengers.

Aye, I'd have Falkirk and Livi as top two, Partick probably third. But fourth spot is going to someone guff. 

[DA-go Par Adonis]

If a billionaire is involved, it's really odd. You could spend relative pocket change to get the training ground sorted and put together a squad to get into the top tier.

Then you could potentially start seeing a return, especially if you could get the team into Europe now and then.

I appreciate that we're running at a loss and that they've covered this - and I'm more prepared than most to give the owners credit for that - but why not allocate a figure upfront to get everything working as you want it, and then look to run things sustainably or even profitably?

Having said that, I'm not a billionaire and never will be, so likely am wired very differently from someone who has made that amount of money.

[parsforlife]

28 minutes ago, Piracy said:

James McPake is a decent fellow,

He is, and that's why we should pay him out and let him and ourselves move on before things get nasty.

2 minutes ago, DA-go Par Adonis said:

If a billionaire is involved, it's really odd. You could spend relative pocket change to get the training ground sorted and put together a squad to get into the top tier.

Then you could potentially start seeing a return, especially if you could get the team into Europe now and then.

I appreciate that we're running at a loss and that they've covered this - and I'm more prepared than most to give the owners credit for that - but why not allocate a figure upfront to get everything working as you want it, and then look to run things sustainably or even profitably?

Having said that, I'm not a billionaire and never will be, so likely am wired very differently from someone who has made that amount of money.

As you touch upon, there's a mentality you need to be a billionaire and I don't think its a good one, Releasing funds is completely against their nature, money out must come back with more on it, Even their supposed charitable donations come with a balance sheet attached.  I suspect their interest was speculative, a little play with our club and see if they can generate further interest to cover future investment and then hope to generate profit once others got in,  Its a mindset that has generated large amounts of wealth for a small few.  The businesses that fail whilst they mess about? Doesn't matter, just as long as the spread profits.

 

1 minute ago, Piracy said:

It's an irrelevance now.

Not yet,  tho hopefully in a few months  they'll be gone and we can start building our club back.

[Deutsch Par]

8 hours ago, Grant said:

Not that I disagree, but what do you suggest? 

Every Pars fan I know wants the gaffer gone, however every Pars fan I know is also aware a change in ownership is potentially occurring and that's leaving us in limbo. I don't agree with it, but what can you or I do? 

The obvious thing is protest.  Protests got rid of both Hay and Masterton.  

Apathy isn't going to work because as long as there's silence nothing will happen as in the board's heads silence means nothing is wrong, there needs to be something visible such as a protest or a mass walk out as soon as the opposition score their first goal.

 

[DA-go Par Adonis]

You really believe that Cook, Braisby and Drew Main are thinking there's nothing wrong at the moment? They're sitting at the matches and concluding that it's going well and the fans are happy?

[da_no_1]

3 hours ago, Deutsch Par said:

as long as there's silence nothing will happen as in the board's heads silence means nothing is wrong

That's just wrong, to put it extremely politely.

[DA-go Par Adonis]

10 hours ago, parsforlife said:

As you touch upon, there's a mentality you need to be a billionaire and I don't think its a good one, Releasing funds is completely against their nature, money out must come back with more on it, Even their supposed charitable donations come with a balance sheet attached.  I suspect their interest was speculative, a little play with our club and see if they can generate further interest to cover future investment and then hope to generate profit once others got in,  Its a mindset that has generated large amounts of wealth for a small few.  The businesses that fail whilst they mess about? Doesn't matter, just as long as the spread profits.

I do understand that.  However, if they have the money, they should know that the 7 top-tier clubs who did not play in Europe last season have just had a bonus payment of £1.6m purely for being there. 

In recent years, Aberdeen have sold a striker for £6.8m, Hearts would have been able to offload Shankland for good money last season, Hibs turned down £3m for Nisbet and Livi managed to sell Dykes for a reported £3m.  A Championship club can't get anything like that for their players (in general - there may be an exception).  I understand that we would not get as much for our players as the likes of Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs, but a 7-figure fee every so often isn't unrealistic.  

According to Wiki, progress to the League stages of the Conference League nets you 3.17m Euros, with every point worth 133,000 euros thereafter.  That might be the very top of our ceiling, but Killie were a game away from it this season.  And a 5th place finish in the Premier League, which you would need to qualify for the preliminary stages, nets you £1.82m.  

Success, even relative success, leaves clues.  It is now possible to make money in Scottish football, but you can't do it in League 1 or the Championship. 

Different story completely if we were still fan owned.  But, if you are a group of wealthy backers, looking to "spend time with people they like" and embark on a project with a football club with potential, why mess around?  What they've done so far is the equivalent of giving a key player a painkilling injection so that he can get through a few more games - and then give him another one and then another one - when the best course of action is to send him for an immediate operation, take the short-term inconvenience but see him come back fully fit and at the peak of his powers thereafter.

[Grant]

4 hours ago, DA-go Par Adonis said:

You really believe that Cook, Braisby and Drew Main are thinking there's nothing wrong at the moment? They're sitting at the matches and concluding that it's going well and the fans are happy?

Aye, wild to suggest that Drew etc would've walked away from the game on Saturday thinking everything is fine. 

2 hours ago, DA-go Par Adonis said:

I do understand that.  However, if they have the money, they should know that the 7 top-tier clubs who did not play in Europe last season have just had a bonus payment of £1.6m purely for being there. 

 

They massively underestimated Scottish football. 

[lambo1885]

24 minutes ago, Grant said:

They massively underestimated Scottish football. 

This.