Edinburgh City v The Pars: The Scottish Gas, Scottish Cup

[DA-go Par Adonis]

Not every club has the same costs as everyone else.  It's a bit daft to suggest otherwise.  The current owners have clearly spent money trying to build the club, professionalise the day-to-day running and improve the youth set-up.  It is fairly obvious where some of the money has gone and that other clubs in this league have not spent the money in the same way. 

Whether they could have taken a different approach is clearly well up for debate, but that's very different from money disappearing or being removed from the club. 

I think the more obvious conclusion is that what GmbH wanted to do was well-intentioned, but their major failing is that the vastly underestimated how much capital it would take to achieve it - and that is a major failing.  

There are also plenty of other examples of similar sized clubs who have lost a sizeable amount of money each year - again it's reasonably well documented.  Indeed, we were one of them in season 18/19, which is why the board at the time looked for external investment.

 

Edited November 27 by DA-go Par Adonis

[parsforlife]

13 minutes ago, DA-go Par Adonis said:

 

I think the more obvious conclusion is that what GmbH wanted to do was well-intentioned,

 

 

Need some evidence of that. I think a hell of a lot of what they've done is not aimed to make us the best performing team on the pitch we possibly can be, and that's unacceptable to me.

Edited November 27 by parsforlife

[DA-go Par Adonis]

They've built a training facility, appointed a very well respected head of youth development and to build the youth program with a view to bringing players into the first team.  Again, it's debatable whether that's a recipe for success in the Championship (without throwing much more money at it) but it doesn't look ill-intentioned to me.

Where is the evidence that what they wanted to do was not well-intentioned?

 

Edited November 27 by DA-go Par Adonis

[parsforlife]

3 hours ago, DA-go Par Adonis said:

They've built a training facility, appointed a very well respected head of youth development and to build the youth program with a view to bringing players into the first team.  Again, it's debatable whether that's a recipe for success in the Championship (without throwing much more money at it) but it doesn't look ill-intentioned to me.

Where is the evidence that what they wanted to do was not well-intentioned?

1. They didn't build a training facility, they built a 3G pitch. They said they'd build a facility, multiple pitches, gym on site etc. They lied.

2. The dozens of other empty promises, like how they didn't want to be stay away owners yet nearly never attended games. The fact that regularly we'd get statements having a go at fans, The living true sportsmanship bollocks that was never going to improve our chances of winning games just their egotistical hope that we'd get patted on the back for it. The lie that we'd have access to there alleged massive scouting network. I could go on.

3.  I mean, just open your eyes and look at where we are as a club, it's a joke.

   When you repeatedly lie, never take responsibility and are proven failures it's really difficult to say you had good intentions.

Edited November 27 by parsforlife

[DA-go Par Adonis]

As I said, I think they vastly underestimated how much it would cost to do everything they wanted to do.  If you open your eyes, I literally said that was a "major failing".   

They put 7 figures into the club, wasn't nearly enough and now they want to go.  I'll not get all misty-eyed about the GmbH days once they're gone, but unless there's some info that comes out once they've gone, I don't think they'll go down in history as being people with bad intentions for our club. 

It is perfectly valid to say that their tenure has been unsuccessful, they were naive and that their recruitment has been poor.  That's very different to them being ill-intentioned, however.

There's also still no evidence that money had "disappeared" or been "removed" from the club - only that it's been spent in areas that you don't agree with.    

Edited November 27 by DA-go Par Adonis

[weemike]

I think it's worth pointing out we get/got the Nisbet money when Hibs do. If millwall are paying over 12/18 months then that's how we see the cash. 

 

It might not have been a lump sum. 

Also worth pointing out, we hired more full time staff. Repaired the pitch, upgraded the floodlights and had alot of medical bills 

As well as rosyth. 

 

Money in from players doesn't automatically equal money out on players. 

We also had a trip to league 1. 

 

And paid a fee for KRH and Otoo at a time when no lower league clubs are paying fees. 

Edited November 27 by weemike
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[the saline hill puma]

Did they actually put up any money for t the training pitch? everything seemed to be held up waiting for funding grants which would indicate its not been funded by the club/owners. Its also not like we bought the place, we are now just lumbered with a long term lease and a 11 aside astro pitch

[DA-go Par Adonis]

I am sure it was reported that they got a grant for some of the money and covered the remainder.  

 

[Grant]

1 hour ago, da_no_1 said:

Pished into the academy/training ground sinkhole would be my uneducated guess.

Agreed,. 

1 hour ago, parsforlife said:

. I think a hell of a lot of what they've done is not aimed to make us the best performing team on the pitch we possibly can be, and that's unacceptable to me.

I can also vaguely agree with this, what I would say is that's it's a world away from money disappearing. 

Imo, we have delegated funds extremely poorly throughout the gmbh tenure, but money has been spent. 

[DA-go Par Adonis]

They were clearly focused on a long-term strategy, where a conveyor belt of promising youngsters would be introduced into the first team, which would hopefully make us regularly competitive (a sort-of Midtjylland model).  They were less focused on trying to get into the Premier League as soon as possible.

They needed to spend much more cash to achieve thus and they needed the fans onside.  Unfortunately, if the first team is underperforming, the fans will not be onside for very long.  

 

[rosythpar]

1 hour ago, da_no_1 said:

Pished into the academy/training ground sinkhole would be my uneducated guess.

Was a lot of that not grants?

[weemike]

1 hour ago, rosythpar said:

Was a lot of that not grants?

You need to ask him. Lol 

[parsforlife]

2 hours ago, DA-go Par Adonis said:

 

There's also still no evidence that money had "disappeared" or been "removed" from the club - only that it's been spent in areas that you don't agree with.    

If you want to do the whole 'open your eyes' thing, best make sure your not misquoting me, as I have only ever said it's been removed from what's important, not that actually ended up in someone's swag bag or Swiss bank account 

[DA-go Par Adonis]

Deutsch Par said it disappeared and you said that, "it's just gone, what exactly on I don't know".

I - and others - have just pointed out that there are plenty of clues that the money has gone on running the football club and trying to make improvements to the infrastructure.  It's arguable that they are important things - whether that would be your or my priority.

Edited November 27 by DA-go Par Adonis

[DA-go Par Adonis]

I also agree that the first team is of most importance, but I think our manager has been given more than enough this season to have us much further up the league than we are.  I don't know exactly how much more backing he needs.