Bring back hanging! 😡

[GG Riva]

The League Cup final highlights on Sportscene on Sunday, December 15th, were dominated by arguments over a possible penalty not awarded to Rangers, either by  the referee or the VAR officials. Last Saturday afternoon, on Radio Scotland, the pundits almost completely ignored the live games up and down the country, other than to announce any goals scored and argued incessantly about that penalty claim from the previous weekend. I thought we might have heard the end of it after that. Not a bit of it.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c05p0erey1ro

What on earth are Rangers trying to achieve by dragging this out? The game isn`t going to be replayed, nor is Celtic going to be asked to hand the trophy over to the moral winners of that final. The VAR officials were not used last weekend, presumably as a punishment for their error, which will have entailed a significant loss of earnings, but Rangers are unhappy that they have now been reinstated. Perhaps the SFA should set up stocks in George Square so that irate Rangers fans can pelt them with soft fruit or the odd brick? 🤔

Edited December 26, 2024 by GG Riva
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[Al k]

We should all focus on the postive, must the hundredth game now with out any sectarian abuse or singning. 

Thats the biggest win. 

[weemike]

To be fair. If there is corruption then it should be raised time and time again until it is rooted out. 

 

If a decision is 100% incorrect and the processes in place to prevent these mistakes fail then the result must be corruption. 

[GG Riva]

1 hour ago, weemike said:

To be fair. If there is corruption then it should be raised time and time again until it is rooted out. 

 

If a decision is 100% incorrect and the processes in place to prevent these mistakes fail then the result must be corruption. 

It's pretty obvious Rangers are questioning the integrity of the VAR officials. That's a very serious allegation and it's completely unprofessional to even hint that the officials deliberately cheated Rangers out of a stonewall penalty. Why would they do that for a game visible to millions on TV? Surely it's far more likely t3hat they erred on the side of caution?

When I trained as a ref, we were taught to always give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team. The reasoning was that e.g. a goal chalked off incorrectly for offside, gets forgotten far more quickly than an offside goal allowed to stand. Similarly, a penalty not given is accepted more easily than one that is when it's debatable.

[weemike]

1 minute ago, GG Riva said:

It's pretty obvious Rangers are questioning the integrity of the VAR officials. That's a very serious allegation and it's completely unprofessional to even hint that the officials deliberately cheated Rangers out of a stonewall penalty. Why would they do that for a game visible to millions on TV? Surely it's far more likely t3hat they erred on the side of caution?

When I trained as a ref, we were taught to always give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team. The reasoning was that e.g. a goal chalked off incorrectly for offside, gets forgotten far more quickly than an offside goal allowed to stand. Similarly, a penalty not given is accepted more easily than one that is when it's debatable.

But hasn't it been stated now by the officials reps that it was an incorrect decision? 

There was no err-ing on the side of caution. 

The system in place to provide a correct decision was used and they still came to the incorrect decision. 

That is something that shouldn't happen now. 

 

 

It is either incompetent or corruption. 

 

Both are bad. 

[parsforlife]

6 hours ago, GG Riva said:

The League Cup final highlights on Sportscene on Sunday, December 15th, were dominated by arguments over a possible penalty not awarded to Rangers, either by  the referee or the VAR officials. Last Saturday afternoon, on Radio Scotland, the pundits almost completely ignored the live games up and down the country, other than to announce any goals scored and argued incessantly about that penalty claim from the previous weekend. I thought we might have heard the end of it after that. Not a bit of it.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c05p0erey1ro

What on earth are Rangers trying to achieve by dragging this out? The game isn`t going to be replayed, nor is Celtic going to be asked to hand the trophy over to the moral winners of that final. The VAR officials were not used last weekend, presumably as a punishment for their error, which will have entailed a significant loss of earnings, but Rangers are unhappy that they have now been reinstated. Perhaps the SFA should set up stocks in George Square so that irate Rangers fans can pelt them with soft fruit or the odd brick? 🤔

There are 2 motivations for this and I think they are both true, the want to satisfy their nut job fans, 'everyone is out to get us' is a key part of their brand.

The 2nd is outright intimidation of referees, Make a mistake against us? Career gone.  It's not quite at juve levels where money has changed hands to ensure that, but it's not that far different for me.

2 hours ago, weemike said:

 

If a decision is 100% incorrect and the processes in place to prevent these mistakes fail then the result must be corruption. 

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

54 minutes ago, GG Riva said:

 

When I trained as a ref, we were taught to always give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team. The reasoning was that e.g. a goal chalked off incorrectly for offside, gets forgotten far more quickly than an offside goal allowed to stand. Similarly, a penalty not given is accepted more easily than one that is when it's debatable.

I understand that thinking and refs tend to still go with it, they are drifting away from it with VAR but the on-field refs still tend to go with rather bring something back for a penalty than give it and need to correct.

However there wasn't any benefit of doubt from the VAR room, they had clear evidence the foul was in the box. It's a mistake no doubt, but not one near enough worth justifying the meltdown.

[weemike]

5 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

However there wasn't any benefit of doubt from the VAR room, they had clear evidence the foul was in the box. It's a mistake no doubt, but not one near enough worth justifying the meltdown.

Then that's not a mistake or incompetence.

And there is more than enough to question integrity. 

Especially after David coots. 

It's clear to see that if you like the old firm- you hate the other half. And if you dislike the old firm, then you hate them equally, 

 

Even this topic has brought out alot of joy in people seeing them have a meltdown. Even though the questions they are asking are justified in my opinion. 

 

 

[parsforlife]

11 minutes ago, weemike said:

Then that's not a mistake or incompetence.

 

There's loads of reasons the mistake could be made before corruption comes in.  Being unwilling to make a big decision in that game, feeling under pressure to give less penalties,  being unsure why the decision to give the foul was, not wanting to undermine the ref in a game as they felt that would make it harder to ref the rest of the game(this is something Howard Webb admitted to doing)   All comes in before you reasonably think he's taken a bung

Also there's been no evidence coots was corrupt, a coked up racist who has ruined his career no doubt. But the yellow card he gave that he had told someone about before hand was clear as day. 
 

There's a crisis in number of referees in football, and this stuff just makes it worse.  No refs, no game.

[GG Riva]

19 minutes ago, weemike said:

Then that's not a mistake or incompetence.

And there is more than enough to question integrity. 

Especially after David coots. 

It's clear to see that if you like the old firm- you hate the other half. And if you dislike the old firm, then you hate them equally, 

 

Even this topic has brought out alot of joy in people seeing them have a meltdown. Even though the questions they are asking are justified in my opinion. 

 

 

This statement is more or less accusing one of the VAR officials that he is a cheating, Celtic- minded bassa.

"We also note one of the officials has been appointed to an SPFL Premiership match involving the club that benefited from the error." 

Why would anyone deliberately cheat when officiating at a game which is watched by millions on TV? Isn't it far more likely that they just cocked it up?

The refs should show a bit of solidarity and withdraw their labour.
 

[parsforlife]

21 minutes ago, GG Riva said:

 

The refs should show a bit of solidarity and withdraw their labour.
 

They did that about a decade ago when Celtic last lost the head, I don't think it really helped tbh.

Edited December 26, 2024 by parsforlife

[weemike]

Rangers are still justified in asking the questions. Even if it is just to get a copy of the conversation transcripts to eliminate cheating. 

In the last 12 months we have had the spurs Liverpool offside that never was and the David cootes saga. 

I don't have a horse in the old firm race. But if it was The Pars v Celtic I would hope we would make the same noise. 

 

The attitude of "its the rangers. get it up them. Haha" is wrong. 

[parsforlife]

1 minute ago, weemike said:

Rangers are still justified in asking the questions. Even if it is just to get a copy of the conversation transcripts to eliminate cheating. 

In the last 12 months we have had the spurs Liverpool offside that never was and the David cootes saga. 

I don't have a horse in the old firm race. But if it was The Pars v Celtic I would hope we would make the same noise. 

 

The attitude of "its the rangers. get it up them. Haha" is wrong. 

1. We've not had either of those our FA's are completely separate organisations.

The Liverpool one was evidenced as a rushed job and communication error and I believe protocol tightened up to help prevent a repeat.

[weemike]

30 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

1. We've not had either of those our FA's are completely separate organisations.

The Liverpool one was evidenced as a rushed job and communication error and I believe protocol tightened up to help prevent a repeat.

Regardless if it was a separate FA. The game has had these issues. 

The fact remains Rangers are entitled to question the integrity of the decision makers as all clubs are if faced with the same circumstances. 

Just because it's rangers and we are pleased to see them wronged doesn't make it OK. 

[GG Riva]

33 minutes ago, weemike said:

Rangers are still justified in asking the questions. Even if it is just to get a copy of the conversation transcripts to eliminate cheating. 

In the last 12 months we have had the spurs Liverpool offside that never was and the David cootes saga. 

I don't have a horse in the old firm race. But if it was The Pars v Celtic I would hope we would make the same noise. 

 

The attitude of "its the rangers. get it up them. Haha" is wrong. 

Rangers are perfectly justified in asking any pertinent questions, and even to question the competence of match and VAR officials, but to question their integrity is just plain wrong, IMHO. They don't have a shred of evidence to back up their allegation. It's  mischievous and completely unprofessional and probably done to appease their seething fans and intimidate refs for future games.

[weemike]

9 minutes ago, GG Riva said:

Rangers are perfectly justified in asking any pertinent questions, and even to question the competence of match and VAR officials, but to question their integrity is just plain wrong, IMHO. They don't have a shred of evidence to back up their allegation. It's  mischievous and completely unprofessional and probably done to appease their seething fans and intimidate refs for future games.

I agree, but when you have a senior official stating that the decision was incorrect. They are left thinking "how can this be?" 

Remember when the club spokesperson views it with blue tinted specs the incident it is black and white 100% a penalty. 

The senior official then agrees with club spokesperson.

It kinda sways it more from an incompetence issue especially when you have the benefit of video replays etc. 

But yes. Questioning the officials does please the support who have just lost a trophy and also sways the the refs in the next match. 

Therefore it's a no brainer to make these statements.