More Championship Games on BBC Scotland

[GG Riva]

How will this deal benefit Championship clubs, and is this what the fans (of these clubs) want?

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24820195.bbc-scotland-confirms-new-scottish-football-television-deal-2025/

[Grant]

I'm happy with it, the more exposure for the championship the better. 

[Superally]

Last nights game appears to have gone down well with the neutrals, and i think it would be a good thing 

[Al k]

No mention of increase in money. Wouldnt be surprised if the bbc have got more for less if Doncaster's previous negotiations are anything to go by. 

[GG Riva]

36 minutes ago, Grant said:

I'm happy with it, the more exposure for the championship the better. 

Are you aware that the money from the BBC goes into a pot to be shared by ALL SPFL clubs, Grant? While there is a positive side to sharing the money around, the Championship clubs are undoubtedly penalised by this arrangement. There's no consideration for the drop in income at the turnstiles due to the game being live on national TV and also to fans being unable to make it on a Friday evening. 

We had a similar arrangement some 20 years ago, when the chosen game was moved to a Sunday and inevitably involved Celtic or Rangers as the away side. The BBC paid £55k to the home team and £45k to the visitors. John Yorkston told me the money was roughly similar to the loss at the turnstiles - usually about 3,000 down compared to the expected attendance at a Saturday game.

In the present arrangement, the SPFL clubs outside of the Championship 10 are the real beneficiaries.

[Grant]

Just now, GG Riva said:

Are you aware that the money from the BBC goes into a pot to be shared by ALL SPFL clubs, Grant? While there is a positive side to sharing the money around, the Championship clubs are undoubtedly penalised by this arrangement. There's no consideration for the drop in income at the turnstiles due to the game being live on national TV and also to fans being unable to make it on a Friday evening. 

We had a similar arrangement some 20 years ago, when the chosen game was moved to a Sunday and inevitably involved Celtic or Rangers as the away side. The BBC paid £55k to the home team and £45k to the visitors. John Yorkston told me the money was roughly similar to the loss at the turnstiles - usually about 3,000 down compared to the expected attendance at a Saturday game.

In the present arrangement, the SPFL clubs outside of the Championship 10 are the real beneficiaries.

I'm aware of that GG. 

 

To flip it, are you aware that the money from the TV deals from Premier etc, for the Premiership goes to all clubs? That's worth far more than the championship one, and we've benefitted from that for far longer. I'm also fairly happy for the teams lower down the pyramid to get some extra cash to help them out with the running of the game. 

To grow any product you need exposure, for years people moaned quite rightly about the lack of exposure the championship got despite it being a great product, we're now getting it and we're still moaning. 

If we're doing well people will come even if the games on TV, if we're doing poorly then people might use that. But in that instance the bigger issue is the poor product that we're putting on the park, I'm more concerned with that. 

[Grant]

9 minutes ago, Al k said:

No mention of increase in money. Wouldnt be surprised if the bbc have got more for less if Doncaster's previous negotiations are anything to go by. 

There's an extra 300 thousand I read, but it's just the money saved from not doing sportscene results. 

[Al k]

2 minutes ago, Grant said:

There's an extra 300 thousand I read, but it's just the money saved from not doing sportscene results. 

I'd assumed they stopped the sportscene results years ago and went with the final score show.

There was talk about that being stopped last year. 

[SanguinePar]

Boo. Far too much football on TV as it is. And Friday night games are rubbish.

[GG Riva]

14 hours ago, Grant said:

I'm aware of that GG. 

 

To flip it, are you aware that the money from the TV deals from Premier etc, for the Premiership goes to all clubs? That's worth far more than the championship one, and we've benefitted from that for far longer. I'm also fairly happy for the teams lower down the pyramid to get some extra cash to help them out with the running of the game. 

To grow any product you need exposure, for years people moaned quite rightly about the lack of exposure the championship got despite it being a great product, we're now getting it and we're still moaning. 

If we're doing well people will come even if the games on TV, if we're doing poorly then people might use that. But in that instance the bigger issue is the poor product that we're putting on the park, I'm more concerned with that. 

Yes, I know about that, too, Grant. I get everything you say and understand that there are positives as well as the negatives that I highlighted. I could have expressed myself better. I wanted to say that the Championship clubs are the most disadvantaged of all our senior clubs. Yes the SKY money is much more than the BBC's contribution but a huge slice of that is devoured by the Premiership clubs and within that the top 2, who are nailed on to be guess who every season? Even the Championship winner gets far less than club 12 in the Premiership. As for the clubs in Leagues 1 and 2, their league games are not televised so the small sums they receive do not come at a cost.

The Championship clubs lose out twice - loss of income at the turnstiles and a relative pittance from the SPFL, meaning they'll do well to break even.

[parsforlife]

1 hour ago, GG Riva said:

Yes, I know about that, too, Grant. I get everything you say and understand that there are positives as well as the negatives that I highlighted. I could have expressed myself better. I wanted to say that the Championship clubs are the most disadvantaged of all our senior clubs. Yes the SKY money is much more than the BBC's contribution but a huge slice of that is devoured by the Premiership clubs and within that the top 2, who are nailed on to be guess who every season? Even the Championship winner gets far less than club 12 in the Premiership. As for the clubs in Leagues 1 and 2, their league games are not televised so the small sums they receive do not come at a cost.

The Championship clubs lose out twice - loss of income at the turnstiles and a relative pittance from the SPFL, meaning they'll do well to break even.

10 league 1 games are televised, and they get a worse slot.

I think if clubs were losing money from the deal they'd be kicking up a hell of a lot more fuss.

The tier 2 clubs also gained the most by the prize fund agreed at the spfl merger, it's more than a 10 fold increase to what we were getting in the sfl.

[GG Riva]

3 hours ago, parsforlife said:

10 league 1 games are televised, and they get a worse slot.

I think if clubs were losing money from the deal they'd be kicking up a hell of a lot more fuss.

The tier 2 clubs also gained the most by the prize fund agreed at the spfl merger, it's more than a 10 fold increase to what we were getting in the sfl.

I wasn't aware that league games were televised in League 1. I only remember play off finals being televised when the Pars were in League I. Is it a relatively new addit3ion to the TV calendar?

You may be right that Championship clubs are not losing money as a result of live TV coverage, but I doubt it. The last time this was discussed, at a Supporters Meeting, Ross McArthur told us that the Pars were unable to benefit from the TV arrangement because the Premiership hoovered up such a largeq portion of it and Championship clubs were outvoted when they proposed a more equitable distribution of theq pot. 

[parsforlife]

19 minutes ago, GG Riva said:

I wasn't aware that league games were televised in League 1. I only remember play off finals being televised when the Pars were in League I. Is it a relatively new addit3ion to the TV calendar?

You may be right that Championship clubs are not losing money as a result of live TV coverage, but I doubt it. The last time this was discussed, at a Supporters Meeting, Ross McArthur told us that the Pars were unable to benefit from the TV arrangement because the Premiership hoovered up such a largeq portion of it and Championship clubs were outvoted when they proposed a more equitable distribution of theq pot. 

Last season I believe for league 1 alba games.

We were always going to lose a vote for better prize distribution, you need an 11-1 premiership vote for that and it's never going to happen.

I think from that meeting or at least at a similar time MacArthur said Saturday night games were terrible but Friday night wasn't too bad and we've got rid of Saturday games for championship clubs since.

It's possible that clubs are making a slight loss but have decided not to kick up too much of a fuss cos the alternative is that we make our own commercial arrangements like we did in the SFL which means becoming a separate body and that was terrible

I don't know about details of our own commercial deals but a lot easier being able to point to 200k eyes than 4k?