Do you believe?

[Andycarp]

that players stop playing for their manager to get them sacked? That I believe is exactly what has happened here. McPake upset so many of them with his team selection and where he played them.

[Piracy]

I wouldn't like to think that any professional footballer would drop their standards deliberately.

However, I've no doubt that is exactly what players do on occasion. 

[weemike]

18 minutes ago, Andycarp said:

that players stop playing for their manager to get them sacked? That I believe is exactly what has happened here. McPake upset so many of them with his team selection and where he played them.

No but as confidence drops, so will effort and mindset. 

They didn't stop playing for mcpake, but as belief/confidence starts to drop so will the players mindset and sub consciously effort start to drop. 

 

[kelty_par]

Think the players just stopped believing in how negative they were being set up. Look at rovers game for example, we could barely get a touch in their half 2nd half. Compare it to yesterday with attack after attack. Mcpake was just far too negative and scared to lose a goal instead of having a go 

[scottyboy]

As Alex Ferguson said about Leeds United, "you're cheating your manager"

[Eastendtales]

Yes I think it happens. Le Guen and Ferguson is a prime example.

Don't believe it's happened here though. Just poor management. 

[Deutsch Par]

I don't think the players deliberately stopped trying.  It was a complete lack of confidence in the themselves individually and collectively.

[Raymie]

They simply stopped enjoying going to work 

[rosythpar]

Wouldn't have been a good mood around McPake.

[GG Riva]

3 hours ago, Raymie said:

They simply stopped enjoying going to work 

This. As one poor performance and result followed another, McPake came under increasing pressure to turn things around. In turn, he applied pressure on his players, probably in a way that made them play even more poorly. There's a lot of psychology in this management lark and only the very best know how to apply it to each individual player in their squad. They're all different and will all react differently to how their manager treats them. Some will react in the desired way to a bollocking, others will fall apart, for example. A good manager knows his players and the best way to get the best out of each one.

[buspasspar]

54 minutes ago, GG Riva said:

This. As one poor performance and result followed another, McPake came under increasing pressure to turn things around. In turn, he applied pressure on his players, probably in a way that made them play even more poorly. There's a lot of psychology in this management lark and only the very best know how to apply it to each individual player in their squad. They're all different and will all react differently to how their manager treats them. Some will react in the desired way to a bollocking, others will fall apart, for example. A good manager knows his players and the best way to get the best out of each one.

Correct GG but not just football .. a good man manager will get the best out of all his work force/players in any working environment .. In all of the courses I attended the most important aspect for me was PIP .. Punish in private ..... Praise in public .. Treat them with respect and they will return the same respect 

[Andycarp]

This is what I like about this forum, you always get a good response to any topic posted. Agree or disagree with the topic.

[Dave]

I always believed in backing your staff publicly.  If you needed, then a constructive conversation took place privately to get them back on track often, not always, worked.  
 

When McPake started criticising his players publicly for not following instructions, maybe that was the final straw. 

[GG Riva]

21 hours ago, buspasspar said:

Correct GG but not just football .. a good man manager will get the best out of all his work force/players in any working environment .. In all of the courses I attended the most important aspect for me was PIP .. Punish in private ..... Praise in public .. Treat them with respect and they will return the same respect 

Of course it is, BPP, but since we were talking about managing a squad of footballers, I limited myself to that. Managing a class full of teenagers who'd rather be somewhere else, is the next hardest thing. 😃

Eta. I learned pretty quickly that giving a kid a bollocking in front of his classmates was the most foolhardy thing a teacher can do, especially if you're very annoyed. Much better to ask the pupil to wait behind after the bell and explain calmly why hies behaviour was unacceptable to you. They don't teach you that at teacher training colleges, though.

Edited January 7 by GG Riva

[Eastendtales]

1 hour ago, GG Riva said:

Of course it is, BPP, but since we were talking about managing a squad of footballers, I limited myself to that. Managing a class full of teenagers who'd rather be somewhere else, is the next hardest thing. 😃

Eta. I learned pretty quickly that giving a kid a bollocking in front of his classmates was the most foolhardy thing a teacher can do, especially if you're very annoyed. Much better to ask the pupil to wait behind after the bell and explain calmly why hies behaviour was unacceptable to you. They don't teach you that at teacher training colleges, though.

Why not?