Teuchter Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Does anyone give a flying f**k?Does anyone know anyone that gave a flying f**k?The whole country went insane for a few weeks, but I didn't meet one person in real life who was bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Its this whole celebrity worship thing that folk have going on - having famous faces broadcast into your living room almost daily, having a sad life with not a lot in it, becoming connected to someone who you'll never meet and think that you know, blah blah etc etc...Im not a royalist by any stretch of the imagination, however, my view on the Royal Family is softening. I think William and Harry are dragging an antiquated establishment into the modern age, and a lot of that comes from the values installed into them by Diana, rather than Charlie. Its a shame, she was easy on the eye, but I wont be shedding any tears today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchter Posted August 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 I am not sure what values she had to be honest, beyond those presented as part of her skilful image building for the benefit of the media, and those attributed to her after her death in the mass deification exercise.I have nothing in particular against the Royal family beyond being a republican and having the belief that they should not be funded by the taxpayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Beer Baron Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 I see it as the start of this whole grief culture thing that seems to be so prevailant right now in society. The desperation to fawn over the lives of people you never knew who have just died. Especially celebrity one's, people didn't KNOW Diana.However, when Terry Pratchett died, I genuinely felt sad, as in interviews he always came across as a likeable guy and the respect I hold for him is enormous not only for writing the Discworld series but to cope with Alzeimer's for years and still be writing. I didn't feel the need to splash it all over the internet though or gatecrash his funeral in some kind of weird social validation demonstration.Am I a bit hypocritical though? Perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Obviously I didn't know her, but I get the impression she was very down to earth, disliked the pomp and the ceremony that comes with our Royal Family, and whilst I imagine Charlie was brought up in the strictest of manners, I believe Diana allowed her boys to be boys, just look at some of Harry's antics. She wasn't a Princess in the traditional sense, she wasn't waited on hand and foot, and was an activist when many would have wished that she would shut the **** up and stay out of the press.I would go as far to say she was probably aware of the growing apathy towards the Royals and wanted better than the dislike/hatred/derision towards her kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutsch Par Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Is it soon to say that she was a tramp who manipulated the media brilliantly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Is it soon to say that she was a tramp who manipulated the media brilliantly?I doubt you'd have kicked her out of bed for getting Digestive biscuit crumbs in the sheets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchter Posted September 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Obviously I didn't know her, but I get the impression she was very down to earth, disliked the pomp and the ceremony that comes with our Royal Family, and whilst I imagine Charlie was brought up in the strictest of manners, I believe Diana allowed her boys to be boys, just look at some of Harry's antics. She wasn't a Princess in the traditional sense, she wasn't waited on hand and foot, and was an activist when many would have wished that she would shut the **** up and stay out of the press.I would go as far to say she was probably aware of the growing apathy towards the Royals and wanted better than the dislike/hatred/derision towards her kids. I'll see your Harry's antics and raise you Princess Margaret's. Harry is just in the media more. Margaret was fortunate that social media did not exist when she was on the go, (and in the lexicon of the time, a goer she was) otherwise PornHub would have had a by Royal Approval coat of arms - allegedly.There are similarities between Diana and Margaret, although Margaret was born into the family and didn't quite have the guts to renounce her title (and wealth and privilege) to live as she wished. Diana on the other hand chose to join it.As for Diana allowing her boys to be boys, it would be interesting to know just how much time she actually spent with them, what with nannies and boarding schools and the like. I think like with most other people, William and Harry's (apparently modern) outlooks are influenced at least as much by their peers and popular culture as it is by their parents.She may not have been a Princess, but she was titled (Lady Diana Spencer) and was brought up in an environment of nannies and servants so she pretty much spent her whole life being waited on hand and foot.Going back the time of her death, I recall that it was impossible to read (even in the Guardian) anything that questioned her at all or the myth of the "People's Princess" that was rapidly growing up. The first article I read that gave a more honest appraisal was in a copy of Living Marxism bought on Princes St - that is how far I had to stoop.It was one of the last major events before the arrival of the Internet. The media presented one version of how the country reacted. Although the Internet would have probably amplified the effect of the grief culture, it would have also confirmed that the country was not reacting in unison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchter Posted September 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Is it soon to say that she was a tramp who manipulated the media brilliantly?I was going to put a quote in the original post from (of all people) Richard Fairbrass from Right Said Fred talking about Fergie and Di:"a pair of ski slope sluts who know the price of everything and the value of nothing" The sexist intro takes away a bit from the over all message, but for me, and many others at the time, they were very much part of the Thatcherite yuppie dream.I couldn't find anything attributing to the baldy frontman so all I can say is a bloke in a pub told me about what Richard Fairbrass said in an interview in the NME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Deadpool Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 A ****ress most likely.Even if she was a nice person, the level of grief was frightening. Folk genuinely went mental over someone they didn't know. And worse, football games were cancelled because of it. The SFA were pretty much bullied in to postponing a world cup qualifier so that it didn't take place on the day of her funeral (which was a disgusting display of mass hysteria that would have shamed a place like North Korea).Folk queued up on motorways and streets to clap a hearse as it passed them. Folk camped out in order to be in queue to place some ****ty petrol garage forecourt flowers in a tacky memorial in London. Folk queued up overnight to buy that **** Elton John single, and many folk didn't just buy one but ****ing handfuls of the bilge. All for someone they had never met, let alone never knew.I can't imagine what it will be like when that old awful hoor the queen ****ing dies. They'd better not cancel football matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Deadpool Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Oh and she wasn't really at that good looking. Very ordinary looking actually with ****e hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchter Posted September 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 What a tlt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Yeah, thats all a bit over the top, but I doubt he is in complete control of the output of PR from that page.Even then, I reckon Hamilton will have been about 7 or 8 years old when Diana died. He probably doesnt remember enough to be putting out that kind of sentiment. All very contrived to win likes on Facebook and Instragram, or retweets on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piracy Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 She was picked for her breeding potential. They're all interbred anyway at that level.The Monarchy is an outdated concept and to be honest should be obliterated but I won't see their ultimate demise in my lifetime.I remember being at work when she died and the radio in the workshop was just wall to wall death music. It was depressing enough being their on a Sunday overtime shift ffs.In summary I couldn't give one iota of a sh*t about her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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