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The prices have been released and I can't help but think we've got it wrong tbh. Everyone I know has immediately went cold at the idea. 

17 minutes ago, SanguinePar said:

Chalmers was alright. Made some mistakes, but played a number of really good passes too. Sad to hear the more moronic element of EEP jeering him as he went off.

Certainly did more than Moffat who barely put a foot right when he came on.

Aye, I feel sorry for Chalmers, nowhere near as bad as people make out. 

I'm happy enough with that as a Pars performance, they worked hard, created a good few chances. A draw against Partick is a good result, and it was a fair one today. 

Good to see the club trying new things, hope it's a success and I'll be trying it out. 

https://www.dunfermlinepress.com/sport/24227195.dunfermlines-east-end-park-set-host-euro-2024-fan-zone/

My initial worry, is that I hope they install TVs in the concourse if that's where the Bar will be, it'll fair ruin your experience if you miss half the game queuing for a pint in the concourse. 

Very good first half, very bad second. 

But most importantly, three points. 

Fantastic initiative @GG Riva 👏

I'm still a bit baffled as to why the club done advertise that they do this on twitter every week, even if we're doing rubbish on the pitch it'd give you a little dose of happiness that the club is out there in the community. It's really brilliant and it's good to hear that the players buy into it. 

... Ruth Davidson? 

20 hours ago, DA-go Par Adonis said:

I don't disagree that it was worthy of criticism, but to boo them off in a friendly at half time is just nonsense. The team have credit in the bank and deserve better.

The team do have allot of credit in the bank, Clark is the one of the few (McCleish and Smith also?) Scotland managers in my lifetime who could lose that game last night, in the manner that they did, on a 7 game run without a win and not have serious criticism aimed at him/calls for his head. 

10 hours ago, da_no_1 said:

Agreed.

However it's a friendly, a glorified exhibition match. Results don't matter. Said for years these games should be either free entry or behind closed doors, they're totally meaningless. 

The best thing about the Nations League is we have far, far less friendlies clogging up the domestic calendar.

Couldn't agree more. 👍 IMO allot of the frustration from fans there is the money invested in going to the game, plus as Digs posted. 

9 hours ago, Digs said:

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ON the booing, I never boo, any team but I could understand why folk did. It was likely due to having to listen to their fans singing 'Scotland get battered everywhere they go' on a loop for 80 mins. Which is galling to hear from a team as poor as them.

On booing the national anthem, maybe it's to do with the song being sung by a bunch of Scotsmen from Lanark and Larkhall in the wrong end supporting our opposition. Absolute weirdos.

I'm a petty *******, hearing that on repeat all game knowing it was likely a bunch of Rangers fans irked me. They were doing it to wind up the Scotland fans, and fair play, it done ma tits in. 

I am worried about a few things with the squad, primarily Hickey coming back and the two centre back partners for Tierney. 

I'm also not convinced by Dykes, he's been off it for an awfy long time now. 

38 minutes ago, da_no_1 said:

It's a friendly min. Calm doon

Don't reckon Steve Clark will be particularly chuffed at that performance. 

1 hour ago, DA-go Par Adonis said:

More concerned about booing the team off at half-time in a friendly, having qualified for the Euros comfortably.

Fans would have paid decent money to be there tonight and it was absolutely dreadful, Berti Vogts levels of insipid pish. 

I don't boo at the football but if there's a performance worthy of criticism, it was that. 

This international window has fair sucked some amount of enthusiasm out of the national team. The losses against England, France, Spain and the Dutch didn't bother or concern me, we actually played well for 70 minutes against the Netherlands. However the Georgia and Northern Ireland performances are really, really concerning. 

I walked out Starks a couple of weeks ago downbeat as ****, as well as the Derby loss I was acutely aware that we had Dundee United and Morton up next, and couldn't see us winning either. 

Here we are, 6 points later, football eh? The pints later are going to be extra tasty. Enjoy the weekend everyone 👍 

Thought it should've been a foul for us just before the penalty award, fantastic by Mehmet. 

I can't beleive we haven't scored a second there. 

5 minutes ago, Superally said:

1-0 Pars, Welsh-Hayes first goal for the Pars

Really enjoyed that, switched on by the players to get the corner taken short and quickly. Fair play to them/the coaches. 

Very stodgy game of few, to no chances. 

As expected tbf. 

Oakley being back for Morton is a blow. 

To temper expectations about us running up a big score, while there's no doubt we played very, very well against Dundee United, it was with a level of clinicalness (not sure that's a word, but you get me) that isn't sustainable and I wouldn't bet on us achieving every week. 

I think we seemed to score from every big chance we created, to speak the obvious but goals really do have such a massive influence on how you look back at a performance. We created some fantastic chances against Airdrie, didn't take them and walked away with hee haw. 

It'll be a tight game, if we can win it, and with Inverness playing Dundee United we could expect to be seven points clear of 9th,and we're absolutely in there with a chance of fourth. It's the hope that gets ya. 

17 minutes ago, da_no_1 said:

Perhaps I didn't get my point over properly.

They only made a profit due to an unspecified "other" amount of cash. Indeed chuck in the cup cash (hardly guaranteed season on season) & they'd have lost more than £250,000.

A P&L report that detailed those sorts of numbers would have raised more questions than answers, no?

Morton have recently come under new ownership (might even be fans?) so they actually had allot of communication with regards to there finances, among it they were open about the cup tie against Celtic raising their playing budget. If they hadn't got the draw maybe they wouldn't have spent the extra money? 

5 hours ago, Digs said:

I don't have a problem with it as a ST holder. I don't buy it for any other reason than it gives the club money up front at the start of the season and it guarantees my seat. 

 

Aye, I'm no even ***ed about the seat, there's been loads free in the Norrie this season. Just about giving the club some cash in the summer to try buy some players. 

3 hours ago, da_no_1 said:

Playing devils' advocate here - making an 88k profit looks fantastic but (& I know **** all about accounts) they declare over 250k in cup run cash & over 100k in "other" income.

Would a list like this suffice & allay fears?

And a youth academy that costs 12k a year?

Depends on the individual, but for me aye. I don't know the exacts on Morton situation but they were vocal last year about how the draw away at Celtic allowed them to increase there player budget. 

Watched the Haws game last night, thought Sutherland had a bit about him on what was a bobbly pitch, few nice touches and scored a goal. There's definitely something there

Can't say I noticed McLeod, but truthfully I thought Crossgates were quite poor for the most part and not many of there players did stand out. 

1 hour ago, scottyboy said:

That's a no bad deal. I'm assuming the dreaded BBC aren't covering any of our home games?

Seing as they've already covered two, no. 

3 minutes ago, scottyboy said:

Maybe a question for the next supporters meeting. Do we make a profit of the BBC Scotland games? If not then, can we get out of it?

Feel free to ask that but I can hear the eyes rolling already. 

Turn on the TV now and there's probably football on somewhere, turn it on through the weekend and there definitely will be. If there was a way for clubs to get out of being shown on TV, do you not reckon some of them would've done so already? 

I'd argue, where Scotland has really fell behind other countries is how small our TV deals are, we shouldn't be pushing for less coverage when we could probably do with more. 

1 hour ago, SanguinePar said:

The league games maybe, but our cup game on Friday 24 November certainly was.

I'd also dispute that giving a proportion of the overall deal to teams who don't feature on TV is to their benefit compared to the biggest teams. Yes they get a bit  but they still get much less than those at the top, so the gap grows ever larger. Not to mention situations like ours where we lose out on potential gate money from a big match.

Which is totally seperate from the BBC Scotland league deal, we would have got additional money for the Scottish Cup game being on TV. 

How can you dispute that teams who don't feature on TV, getting TV money is to there benefit? 

It's absolutely obvious they get less than those at the top, if you got more money the lower down the league system you went then teams would be getting relegated every year? I struggle to see your point.

If we were to split the TV for those teams purely on TV then the sky deal for the Premier, which is more than the BBC Scotland deal for the Championship would see that gap growing ever larger. The gap between the championship and League 1 would also become more pronounced. By pooling the TV money and distributing it throughout the system it absolutely benefits those teams lower down the pyramid more. 

We lose out on two league games a year, and even then if we were doing well enough they wouldn't matter. Raith had there top of the table clash with United on TV, they still sold it out. 

It's genuinely one of the better TV deals out there, we have limits on how often they impact us, and a Friday night is better than a Sunday lunchtime etc. 

6 hours ago, Piracy said:

I've copy & pasted the answers to my questions from the email reply I recieved last Friday morning from Drew Main. As I said in my summary post of the meeting I missed the first hour of the meeting and most of what I had asked was answered in that first hour. All listed below.

1. Exactly how has the club managed to make a trading loss of £1m + last season? 

The trading loss of around £1M can be broken down in a number of ways; relegation was expensive particularly in relation to prize money – approx. £120k for winning the league as opposed to around 3 times that amount for finishing mid table in the Championship. The club budgeted to finish 2^nd (probably as much not to tempt fate by assuming we’d win the league!) so although we got slightly more prize money we lost out on about £100k from play-off matches and had to pay out more in way of success bonuses to the playing and coaching staff. As everyone knows we now pay for the services of a CEO and Commercial Manager, roles previously carried out on a voluntary basis but deemed an important step by GmbH to further professionalise the club. We now have our own fully funded academy rather than contributing to FEFA – this equates to a cost of around 6 times more than we’d previously have spent in this area. 

Ach, trying not to be a grumpy ******* again but I'd love to see the Maths behind this. 

For starters as has already been established, mid table in the championship is double than what you get for winning League One, not treble.

And while we didn’t want to tempt fait with saying we’d win the league, it’s note tempting fate to presume we’d have 2 Home games, and 100k from the playoffs? Would the board be comfortable in releasing how much money they got from the previous seasons Championship playoffs, were they worth 100k? Or perhaps they could fire an email to Falkirk and ask them, they finished second in the league, did they get 100k from the playoffs?

An aspect of this continued talking about the title win costing us money that is genuinely starting to vex me, is surely we didn’t anticipate the crowds we got? Transfermarkt has us down as averaging 4,776 spectators, for a total of 85,969 tickets sold. Now as a comparison the year prior to that we had an average of 3615 which equated to 61,450 through the season (This was still the second highest in the league), are you telling me the board reckoned that with a relegation we would sell nearly 25,000 more tickets? It’s an absolute nonsense.

Also interesting to see our own academy is costing us 6 times more than FEFA, is that worth it?

1 hour ago, Digs said:

I think the others are The Heritage Trust, Pars Supporters Trust, Young Pars have been in the past, Tappies Bus, the Rosyth Bus, Pars Business Club, Marv represented her Donation shop. It's not necessarily always the same groups as people can't always make it etc. 

Happy for others to go to these meetings if you're happy to provide updates so we can get the messages out there. 

You do a grand job Digs 👍 

2 hours ago, SanguinePar said:

But who does that benefit most? The teams at the top, further widening the gaps between haves and have nots.

The teams at the bottom tbh. 

The money from the TV deals is added into the prize pot as a whole then distributed through the leagues, we'll benefit for example from the Sky Sports deal despite never appearing on it. 

Last year the prize money was poor, but it would've been a damn site worse if there wasn't a TV deal. 

It's unfortunate that it's impacted our games against Dundee United, however I dispute that It impacted the gate massively on Friday, those I know who pick and choose there games had no appetite for it after another poor Fife Derby performance. 

And on that the games are regulated, each team has a maximum of two home league games. Which means our two home fife derby's against Raith weren't touched.