VOX Posted September 14, 2018 Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 Being in the very lucky position of being retired at a very young age I now find myself applying for jobs (as I,m bored oot my nut !). When I was a lad (ffs) it was simple to find a job, drive around all the places you wished to find employment and go straight in and ask the manager (gees a job) or send a CV and you were guaranteed a response by post or by telephone either positively or negatively, but at least they had the respect and manners to reply. Nowadays...whits it all aboot ? frowned upon attending work premises asking for a job. Apply online, spend quite a bit of time filling out online forms and sending them off.....and get absolutely no reply ! Getting very despondent at the way employers treat people, at least acknowledge that you received the application and a wee e-mail to say sod off or aye we are interested would be nice. Obviously just me being out of the employment game for 3 decades, things have changed, however, where has politeness gone ? And another thing..whats all this self employment thing about ? there's an awfy lot of them on Job sites or temporary jobs with no chance of being taken on permanently. It appears to me that employers want you to work for next to nothing and have no responsibility for tax or NI and are able to tell you to do one whenever they feel like it. Is this what its all about now? And one other thing since when did the job center stop having jobs on wee cards where you could browse the opportunities available ! whit a riddy I got nipping down there to be told everything's online noo ! I feel genuinely sorry for all the younger folk trying to seek work nowadays...or is it just me and i haven't kept up with the modern way. In any case ...its a crap state of affairs Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougieDave Posted September 14, 2018 Report Share Posted September 14, 2018 Welcome to the madness - my wife has been going through this for the last year - its utterly disheartening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOX Posted September 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 Cheers shoogly, thought it was just me that was experiencing this nonsense. Hope your wife finds something very soon. Experience employers are missing out on tbh for the sake of cheap labour. Stupid online form filling and questions that mean nothing to the post applied for. Want to be a postman (not picking on postmen or women, goes for most jobs, unless you want to work for 5p an hour)...well fill out this form, pass the sift test, sit an online test, maybe we will think about an interview, if we do give you an interview it’s only part time employment anyway ...to post bloody letters through a door ? Never taking past experiences into the scenario until you possibly get a competency based interview ( what’s that all about ). “ can you tell me about a scenario when you posted a letter which shows you are a team member and the result of said posting showed leadership and resulted in you being bitten by a dug”. Think I’ll just embrace retirement ? Utter kheek min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchter Posted September 15, 2018 Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 Sad to read that Vox. All the more incredible when you point out the nature of the jobs. The efficiency of the unfettered private market ma erse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worldwiderab Posted September 15, 2018 Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 Vox have you tried any of the employment agencies? They may be able to get you various temp jobs that may lead to something permenant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOX Posted September 15, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2018 Cheers Rab....aye tried a couple in Edinburgh, however, I have specific “skills” ? which are not really what these agencies are looking for despite being able to do most of the jobs standing on my heed ! You seem to be a bit of a traveller in your employ, I could make your pieces and carry your work tools ? I can also lift heavy things ? gees a job ! I can do that ! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Deadpool Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 When I was applying for jobs last time I kept my good answers to the stupid questions most applications have in common ("describe a time when...") in a Word document. Often just copied and pasted. Also had to go through a 3 stage application for a job at Asda stacking shelves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchter Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 “Also had to go through a 3 stage application for a job at Asda stacking shelves” Seriously? I realise that there is skill in any job, but for that one I think a two minute conversation would be enough to determine suitability. I could understand the rigorous selection for even the most lowest paid of jobs if we had employment conditions like the French, for instance. At the present time in the UK however it is increasingly easy for companies to fire people and present them with rubbish working conditions. I also wonder what the average tenure of a shelf stacker is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Deadpool Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Yup. Online application, stupid group **** (build a tower out of straws sort of thing) and then 1 on 1 interview. You could be rejected at any stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Teuchter said: I also wonder what the average tenure of a shelf stacker is. My ex Mother In Law was at Asda for 25 years, starting on shelf stacking and eventually doing checkouts and other more customer servicey stuff, never really promoted as such either, though I imagine a checkout operator has more responsibility than a shelf stacker? I know a few others that have been at Asda and the Tesco at Duloch since it opened. Tesco recognise the unions as well (or at least they used to), which makes sacking someone almost impossible unless you catch them smuggling pallets of tellys out the workers entrance? There must be something that makes it worthwhile, other than 10% off your shopping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 14/09/2018 at 15:48, VOX said: Being in the very lucky position of being retired at a very young age I now find myself applying for jobs (as I,m bored oot my nut !). When I was a lad (ffs) it was simple to find a job, drive around all the places you wished to find employment and go straight in and ask the manager (gees a job) or send a CV and you were guaranteed a response by post or by telephone either positively or negatively, but at least they had the respect and manners to reply. Nowadays...whits it all aboot ? frowned upon attending work premises asking for a job. Apply online, spend quite a bit of time filling out online forms and sending them off.....and get absolutely no reply ! Getting very despondent at the way employers treat people, at least acknowledge that you received the application and a wee e-mail to say sod off or aye we are interested would be nice. Obviously just me being out of the employment game for 3 decades, things have changed, however, where has politeness gone ? And another thing..whats all this self employment thing about ? there's an awfy lot of them on Job sites or temporary jobs with no chance of being taken on permanently. It appears to me that employers want you to work for next to nothing and have no responsibility for tax or NI and are able to tell you to do one whenever they feel like it. Is this what its all about now? And one other thing since when did the job center stop having jobs on wee cards where you could browse the opportunities available ! whit a riddy I got nipping down there to be told everything's online noo ! I feel genuinely sorry for all the younger folk trying to seek work nowadays...or is it just me and i haven't kept up with the modern way. In any case ...its a crap state of affairs Rant over. I actually thought that this was gonna be a joke post originally. I agree that its ridiculous that businesses don't send a letter of acknowledgment. Part of that might be because of the number of applicants, and the cost of replying - not just in £'s but also the time cost? $h!te, I know, but for some businesses that might be the issue? Perhaps the one big things that stick out here are the 30 years out of work, and retiring when you were young? Now I don't know you, and I really don't want to be negative, so perhaps some folk don't believe the scant CV? Perhaps those reading the application feel threatened by your successes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Beer Baron Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 Maybe they just want part time work nothing too taxing on the brain and enjoy a natter with other like minded people? I found that at Morrisons, Aberdeen during the day. A lot of older ladies just making a few quid for their bingo nights and gin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Beer Baron said: Maybe they just want part time work nothing too taxing on the brain and enjoy a natter with other like minded people? I found that at Morrisons, Aberdeen during the day. A lot of older ladies just making a few quid for their bingo nights and gin. Without wanting to sound sexist or patronising of women, but yeah, supermarkets do cater more for housewives and mothers who want to return to work, but need flexibility to be home for the kids and the hubby, and want some extra "pocket money". But even when the kids are older, they still remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOX Posted September 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 17/09/2018 at 08:49, Vinnie said: I actually thought that this was gonna be a joke post originally. I agree that its ridiculous that businesses don't send a letter of acknowledgment. Part of that might be because of the number of applicants, and the cost of replying - not just in £'s but also the time cost? $h!te, I know, but for some businesses that might be the issue? Perhaps the one big things that stick out here are the 30 years out of work, and retiring when you were young? Now I don't know you, and I really don't want to be negative, so perhaps some folk don't believe the scant CV? Perhaps those reading the application feel threatened by your successes? Hi Vinnie, thanks for the reply. Not been out of work since I was 11 ...milk round up at half four before school, took on various other jobs and an apprenticeship finally settling into 30 years of hard graft in all of life’s wonders. The CV I have reads very well (explained to me by Mr Deadpool) and covers most areas and is adaptable to most jobs available ( albeit not brain surgery or prime minister ? ) I have two jobs in the pipeline both on the same wages I was on. But do I really want to do all that again ? A part time job would suit me perfectly I don’t want to be burnt oot and not enjoy life either. The point is there so much non sense involved in getting these jobs nowadays as apposed to many moons ago. I agree with the post scenario you mention, but an e mail costs nothing ! I never thought about your last sentence before you mentioned it. I really hope that is not the case I’m as normal as a normal thing from normal city. No better no worse than anyone else, I just want to be back out there doing something worthwhile, be it stacking shelves or whatever. Just want employers to cut the crap and acknowledge applications and experience coupled with loyalty and work ethics ! Thanks for all replies ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, VOX said: Hi Vinnie, thanks for the reply. Not been out of work since I was 11 ...milk round up at half four before school, took on various other jobs and an apprenticeship finally settling into 30 years of hard graft in all of life’s wonders. The CV I have reads very well (explained to me by Mr Deadpool) and covers most areas and is adaptable to most jobs available ( albeit not brain surgery or prime minister ? ) I have two jobs in the pipeline both on the same high wages I was on when I retired that coupled with pension would see me in a very nice position. But do I really want to do all that again ? A part time job would suit me perfectly I don’t want to be burnt oot and not enjoy life either. The point is there so much non sense involved in getting these jobs nowadays as apposed to many moons ago. I agree with the post scenario you mention, but an e mail costs nothing ! I never thought about your last sentence before you mentioned it. I really hope that is not the case I’m as normal as a normal thing from normal city. No better no worse than anyone else, I just want to be back out there doing something worthwhile, be it stacking shelves or whatever. Just want employers to cut the crap and acknowledge applications and experience coupled with loyalty and work ethics ! Thanks for all replies ? I hadn't thought about email as a form of rejection letter to be honest, or perhaps we take emails for granted now? Good luck though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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