Rossmcno1

One thing that separates the Hughes/Grant eras versus us now, at least the players give their all and look at least motivated to play.  Several times under those two managers I would see examples of players not giving a fk.  

only other problem is though, I’m sure this squad (before any injury returns) is no better than what we had last time in this division.  And that’s more worrying.

Vast majority of our underperformances in my opinion have been down to board decisions or actions.   Utterly depressing.

5 minutes ago, Eastendtales said:

Sometimes looking like you care is almost as important as actually caring. Fans need to know that we're not being led by someone who has given up. 

This.  The pre match interviews with McPake and OHalleron last week before the QP game were awful to watch.  I knew after watching those we’d be in trouble.  They both looked utterly done and came across exasperated, tired, out of ideas.  Thats the manager and one of the senior pros.  I’m hopeful Kane coming on board plus another one or two will improve the mood and the options.

I don’t buy it that a manager change is needed.  Almost every game i look at the available players and despair, as there’s not much else he can do with the available personnel.  Theres so little room for him to change things too, which is where he really earned his corn last year.  

I think we’ll win, albeit unconvincingly.   Take that and run.

29 minutes ago, GG Riva said:

Leishman was great for the Pars, first time around, but let's not get too carried away by the return of the Messiah. Sure enough, in his first game back, we beat Dundee 5-0. I was at the game. We went in 4-0 up at halftime in what was a fairly even 45 mins. Dundee created some very good chances, thanks to some rampaging runs and inviting crosses by Caballero on the left wing, but contrived to miss them all.

No such luck for Dundee. They had Soapy Soutar in goal. (The soap was on his palms) To say he had a nightmare is a gross understatement. He was in tears during the interval. He did better in the 2nd half but the baw was burst by then. We also did well in the next game, carving out a gritty 1-0 win at Tannadice. Maybe we should draw a veil over our last game of the season at Rugby Park - 0-4 going on 0-8. Killie took their foot off the gas in the 2nd half or we might still have gone down on GD,

Leish stayed on as manager at the start of the following season, but quickly realised that his passionate pre match talks about playing for the jersey fell on stony ground with that squad. Before long, he was helping the Board to appoint his successor..... A certain Mr Stephen Kenny.

 

 

 

 

 

For added context though, You’ve skipped over the entire season of 05/06 that Leishman was in charge where we stayed up.  I mean how could you forget the 1-8 and the cup final…

He did his best, ultimately found wanting in the last season, but be remiss not to recognise he had a full season in charge where we’d been written off as relegation fodder and he kept us up.  If he hadn’t come in to replace Hay, we’d have gone down.  Dont think we’re anywhere near that scenario yet right now.
 

Excellent signing for this level.  Probably arriving just in time.  One more to come….?

2 hours ago, Piracy said:

Thanks for pointing out what thread. I'd have continued to have missed it otherwise I was referring to the thread discussing who fans think is to blame for the 'rot' setting in.

I've had a read and I see a post that quoted the original offending post which Secure Par deleted by himself.

As for what I 'consider specifically bad' if I haven't personally read something I can't address it. I'm not sure any of us read every post, so again thanks for saving a job of trawling backwards through posts.

No worries.  You had replied a couple of posts later so I was surprised you hadn’t seen it.  👍

1 hour ago, Piracy said:

Regarding what's on Dafc.net, I've no idea what the offending thread said, but it does **** me off if there's tittle tattle nonsense being carried between forums. I'm not responsible for what goes on anywhere else, only here along with the other Admin guys and I haven't personally seen anything specifically bad directed at CEO David Cook on here.

The transfer window thread on this forum would beg to differ.  Unless you don’t consider it not “specifically bad directed at CEO” - which id find surprising.

15 minutes ago, DougieDave said:

Indeed - posts that didn’t seem to exist !!!

They don’t now, looks like they were deleted.  

1 hour ago, Grant said:

Is talk of relegation now realistic? 

It always was in my opinion. 

4 minutes ago, Yorkiepar said:

Cards on table ………. I welcomed the investment in the Club. Without it I felt we were likely to be in the wilderness. Since then I can see that there has been some attempt to plan for the future (and it doesn’t bother me that it is reportedly over ten years) but the priorities - seemingly saving on the squad while financing the infrastructure - are definitely looking misplaced. I’ve also not minded that the Board have kept a fairly low profile and have let McPake do the talking, but he’s beginning to sound like a desperate man - that latest interview on COWS previewing today’s game was a stream of rambling gibberish. So I think it’s time for someone else to step up and let the supporters know what the grand plan actually is. Of course our injury situation hasn’t helped - who’s holding their hand up for that? It can’t all be bad luck - but I very much fear that we’re headed back down to Division 1.

I watched both his and OHallerons interview before today and said to a pal, they both looked and sounded totally defeated.

Before they sack McPake, they better have a long hard think about what tools they gave him this season over both windows.  And then take a long hard look at themselves. 
 

1 hour ago, da_no_1 said:

Some attitude 😒 

You know he’s a fan right, and not actually one of the players or staff? 😂 

18 minutes ago, kelty_par said:

Pars were supposed to go into it together with rosyth and ground share. They then went against that and never told rosyth, leaving them with nowhere to go 

My heads not in it in terms of timings, when did Rosyth leave Rec Park?  I thought the timings were very different between that and the investment coming in?  I don’t know enough and haven’t gone looking into the detail but I’ve seen it thrown a few times that the club has supposedly shat on Rosyth, but then never seen anythin concrete that says why.

34 minutes ago, kelty_par said:

Apparently gavin masterton pulled out the deal with them and wanted £75,000 a year in rent for the pitch. Pars ****ed rosyth over too with the civil ground 

How exactly did Dunfermline **** them over?  What occurred there?

1 hour ago, lambo1885 said:

For me McCann always looks better playing off the left, rather than the central striker.

Yes, this was the original position for him this season until so many injuries get in the way.

I still think it’s really tough to measure any of our strikers properly as the service they get from middle and wide generally is so poor.

But before the game we were told that the patrons meeting went well and that there was nothing to worry about?

One 5-0 pumping later it’s a different story. 
 

Aye, those who were scoffing at the relegation form/dogfight chat better get used to it, because we can’t score, don’t look like scoring, and based on the last few weeks, are an absolute gang.

McPake has to take responsibility for that today.  He hung out that back 3 to dry.  It was clear from 30 mins in that it wasn’t going to work, but he persisted until 60 minutes before finally putting Hamilton back there.

All through the team are the same deficiencies that have been called out before.  
 

Mehmet 3 year deal - error prone

Chalmers - too slow and one paced for this level

O Halleron 2 year deal - loses the ball far too often

Wighton 2 year deal - either isn’t fit or good enough at this level, hasn’t been for a couple of year now

Otoo - we know he’s not great in the air, but today he had no back up or help against one of the most physical sides in the league

Summers - consistently tries the unworkable and loses the ball

McCann - when is promise going to turn into output?

Edwards - £100k turned down? Should have bitten their ******* hand off.

New lads - Fagan walcott did well last week, can’t be that bad.  Benjamin hung out to dry by the manager.

Allan - a poor man’s Joe Chalmers.

Moffat - probably the only bright spark from today, but just so lightweight 

For us to set up with that team against a physical long ball side like Morton (and I’ll come back to that in a sec) was criminal, for the manager to do nothing about it, absolutely galling.

We have now seen this show far too often.  The slow deliberate pish at the back which has all the football aficionados telling us all About how it’s to move teams around and create spaces etc etc, no - it’s not working.  Morton won today - by being bloody good at being so direct.   And I’m all for it.  Why don’t more teams do it against us, after all its obvious to anyone (apart from our management and recruitment team) that a long high ball into our box will 9/10 result in a goal scoring opportunity.  United didn’t do it to us last week, and as a result apart from two chances at the end, didn’t look like scoring.    imrie set them up perfectly today.   Physical, demanding, the amount of times the ball was directed in behind OHalleron to great effect.   Look at their team, some great big lumps in it, and the amount of times a long direct ball caused mayhem at our back, shows there is a game plan that can work.

Dont tell me that isn’t exciting to watch rather than this deliberate pound shop “tiki-taka”.

Back to us, I hope our board realise that this thumping financial loss in league 1 From last year is absolutely on the cards again unless something changes. Whether that’s the manager, or the arrival of some experience/quality, I don’t know.  

Right, who had 0-5 in the predictor? 

1 minute ago, kelty_par said:

Did he say what was wrong?

We were at risk of having a full bench.  Cannae be having that 🤪

1 minute ago, Piracy said:

Rovers really annoyed me this season, especially the club social media having a dig at us. I should know better, but it's irritating. 

I think we'll start to pick up points again. I hope we make the play offs, and I'd take this lot with glee. I think we'd smash them.

I do have a wee wish, sneak into 4th with a bit of form, get that lot in the playoffs and beat them with a last minute winner.  Club to then quote tweet all of their wee digs with a simple 👍, one after the other all the way back to the start of the season.  Would be most pleasant.

12 hours ago, Digs said:

I don't think their form is slipping, I think their luck has run out. I've said it since the start of the season they were riding their luck quite a bit and weren't all that great. 5 defeats on the bounce...

This.  They had some quality in that time, but also an absolutely unsustainable level of last minute goals.   Watching them last night was almost pleasant - they were utterly rancid.  Airdrie weren’t even that good, they didn’t have to be.   It feels like a total meltdown in a large part of their supporter base and I’m all for it 😂 long may it continue.

That’s Rudden confirmed for them. 

6 minutes ago, Boston Red Sox said:

I get that but the converse is that whilst Ashcroft is unlikely to win the ballon d'or he's better than what we have available at the moment (and provides proper centre half cover, not Hammy). We are sitting to close too the bottom for my liking, and last season's success was built on a solid defense, not scoring a ****-ton of goals. Don't think he would command superstar wages either but hey ho, happy to watch Raith build a championship contending squad.  

Get all that bud.  But there’s no way what the rovers are doing is sustainable in the medium term never mind long term.  I just don’t see it working for them.  That dressing room they have now has some major egos in it, Turner a prime example.  Who by the way on his debut gave away a penalty.  It seems every player we are openly linked with signs for Rovers.  Maybe that’s their strategy to win more fans/get it right up us.  Which is fine, til they realise that 2k home crowds simply won’t pay that wage bill.

27 minutes ago, Boston Red Sox said:

Apparently Rudden and Ashcroft to the wee team will be announced this afternoon. Really ****ing depressing times to be a pars fan 

I’m not certain I’d be getting too depressed about unsustainable spending at a rival club to land the likes of Ashcroft.  There’s a wee cautionary tale about short term spending somewhere.   And I’m not sure backing Ian Murray to this level will work out either.   Has he anything in his managerial career to back up the level of trust they’ve put in him….?  

6 minutes ago, Eastendtales said:

I hope it didn't look like I was suggesting a change of manager. 

Last thing we need. I have faith it'll work out, nobody could foresee the injury crisis we've been plagued with. 

Just thought it was interesting to see. 

Nah, I understood what you meant.  It will be interesting to see who goes next in the championship.  Maybe one of the Premier League clubs could come calling for one of the better performers like McCabe or even Imrie.  In fact if Martindale was to go at Livingston, I couldn’t think of a more Livi style manager to replace him than Dougie Imrie! 😂