SanguinePar

Jakubiak for me, absolutely fantastic tonight, instrumental in 2 of the goals and always offered an outball. Fantastic performance all round though, and so great to see KRH doing what he does. What a result!

For anyone driving tonight, North Stand car park is closed:

Fab, thanks Fair point. Will be good if/when that is possible though. I seem to remember that our artificial pitch was a decent earner until it was ruled against by our SPL pals. Ah ok, got you - although was it all that much initially? Enough to break even? I guess it must have been.

It's not a question of "rewriting history" - in my memory the general view, and certainly my own opinion at the time, was that it was clearly going to be us and Falkirk, then all the rest. You may remember differently, but presumably that's what the board thought too - and indeed it turned out to be the case. So, assuming that the board thought that, then I think you can conclude that assuming we would either win the league or make the playoffs was pretty reasonable. And that it was more likely to be the case than us failing to make the playoffs at all. I also think it's reasonable to think that that would mean bigger crowds for at least most of the season. And also that it's reasonable to think that, were we to be in the playoffs, it was more likely than not that we would win in a semifinal. Not guaranteed, of course, nothing is. But in making a budget you can only try and project what is likelier to happen with the information you have. Again, the only thing I take issue with the board on this point is mentioning recently it when reporting a huge loss. That's a comms failure IMO, but I don't think it was the wrong budgeting approach necessarily.

Maybe it makes it harder to copy? Or just make it so people are less likely to want to...? ;-)

It's a lifesaver :-)

Goddamn, that's a long post... ;-)

Just to be clear are they saying that some of the loss in the recent accounts was directly down to spend at Rosyth? If that's the case then I have less of a concern with the loss, since it's actually an investment in the future. Whether it'll prove a good investment is unknown at this time, but at least it isn't a loss of money with nothing to show for it at the end. That's superb - hopefully the facility will soon be proving its worth. Did anyone mention whether it would be available to public hire, as an income stream? I think this was mentioned before, but not 100% on that. The Nisbet money can't have been part of our breaking even in previous years, surely? We're only getting that in the current year's accounts. I'm maybe misunderstanding. As I said at the time, I think that's reasonable - although I think it was foolish to say so in the context of a £1 million pound loss! ;-) Bit disappointing that bonuses weren't budgeted for, but a cup run was - seems like something that was bound to bite us later. Difficulty one this - it's not really much of an assurance, but as @DougieDave points out elsewhere, what WOULD be a good enough assurance? I'm not sure how that could be achieved short of some dramatic act of generosity like unconditional investment, which obviously isn't going to happen. I guess the fact that they are still here after the last few seasons is a good sign, but I'm still a bit perplexed about why they got involved in the first place tbh. They're very welcome though, assuming they are on the up and up. This is why I remain frustrated by the lack of squad strengthening in the summer - persuading people to come to a champion team that are stepping into a league above would surely be easier than persuading them to join halfway through a poor season. I'm not saying no efforts were made, but the weakness of the squad was much pointed out before a ball had been kicked. Fair enough, but then he can't really complain when people criticise the outcomes of that approach. I can't really agree with him there, although he's hardly going to sit there and moan about the squad, so not sure how much value to put on that. Meaning Andrew Tod? Or Matty Todd? I generally agree about ability levels - we're just spread way too thin. Consequence of a thin squad IMO. Was always a risk to run so light, and it's turned out that way. Good that we're doing this, but kind of concerning IMO that we weren't already. I'm no sports scientist, but even I would have thought training would be personalised. I feel like we heard the same from Grant and Hughes! ;-) I do trust JMP much more than those jokers though. As above - consequence of a squad that was patently too thin in summer. Thanks again for all this @Digs, greatly appreciated 👍 Similar to what @Grant says elsewhere, I don't really feel like we're making enough good chances in the first place - I can't recall too many "How did he miss?" moments, but plenty of "Please someone get a decent ball in". Appreciate that this is second hand and from memory, but to me that sounds pretty dismissive of valid concerns. Hopefully it wasn't like that. Thanks also, @Piracy :-) Agreed - that's why I really want to know how much of the loss was down to spend at Rosyth. Even an approximate proportion would be good to know. I can't see how it would be harmful long term - it's the short term hit that it may or may not be causing us that concerns me. Once it's up and running, I feel it can really only be a good thing. Agreed Agreed again Yeah, that part of the explanation doesn't make sense to me, as noted above. To be fair, it's only £5k difference and it's a second hand report of an off the cuff remark - DC could easily have misspoken and meant to say £125k, or Digs might have misheard or whatever. To be fair, if we were in a title race right to the end and then lost, we'd likely still have had the big crowds. Possibly even moreso. Agree with this... ...but not with this - they can only go with what's reasonably likely, and given that it was obvious that it was going to be us and Falkirk dominating everyone else, the balance of probability was that if we finished in the payoffs we would probably be in the final. I don't have a problem with that thinking tbh. Doesn't he mean ambitious signing targets? I don't much like the phrase "not going to apologise" either, but I don't think he meant that in relation to aiming for promotion to the top flight. Hopefully yes - that's been my view since promotion. Just try and safely stay in this league (I appreciate that in previous discussions it's been pointed out that it's hard to do that without also challenging for the promotion playoffs!) and then have a real run next season. Yeah, definitely agree. I'm hoping that having Hamilton and Todd back in the midfield will start to reap benefits in terms of good supply. Agreed. Agreed, I've been feeling really flat about the Pars since summer (ie before we were playing poorly and had loads of injuries) and actually even before that, going back to last season at times, despite the success on the pitch at the time.

Big thanks to @Digs @Piracy and all other people reporting from the meeting. A lot to digest from that.

Follow up to that - I wondered how Xg (which I'm a bit on the fence about in general, but for the sake of argument...) compared with actual goals scored this season. In case anyone is interested, here's the numbers I got - Pars are right at the bottom of the heap for goals/Xg, with Ayr right at the top!

Yeesh... Not a fan of either of them. What's with all the patterns? What's wrong with a plain dark blue shirt FFS?

Woah, those images have gone mad! :-)

Bye Colin!

Thanks @kelty_par Bit cringey though.

I can't seem to find the statement, where is this? Either way, I (once again) despair of the club - tottering towards relegation, a big match at our local (and title challenging) rivals, and we start talking about true sportsmanship?! To me (and admittedly I haven't seen the actual wording of this) it's just absolutely tone deaf, and not what the fans need to hear right now. Stick your Corinthian spirit where the sun don't shine (ie Falkirk) and beat these lino-sniffing wee team p***ks!

Agreed, although I was actually talking about the second goal, not the first one :-)

Rovers by 3, sadly.

Highlights here. Absolutely no way Mehmet should be coming for that ball into the box for the second goal.

I'll need to watch it again. At the time my impression was that it was too far out for Mehmet to come and that it would have been risky for MWH to try and direct it back to the keeper. A clearance was the right choice I thought, although ideally not a clearance straight to an Airdrie player in the centre of the park.

Don't recall Mehmet doing much wrong other than a couple of poor kicks (and he certainly wasn't the only one from either team, the pitch looks in terrible condition). Nothing he could do about either goal IMO and he didn't look dodgy anywhere.

Played well enough first half, Welch-Hayes unlucky not to score I thought, bit unlucky to be 1-0 down at halftime. Not too bad in second half until the second goal (some strike that) and then utter p*sh after that. I've missed a few games this season for various reasons, and it's now 164 days since I witnessed a Pars win. Looking at our next few fixtures you can probably add another 30 days or so to that right now.

That's a blow, was looking forward to seeing Kane, having missed the Ayr game. Fingers crossed Jak'n'Mac can get the job done.

I said the same to a mate a few weeks back. In fact I hope we lose all 4 league games against them, finish 30 points behind them and then knock them out of the playoffs :-)

They've been singing that at Núñez since he arrived at Anfield. Safe to say he's considerably better than Andy Carroll :-)

Yeah, that was my thought too. The only weird thing there IMO is mentioning it. Seems a reasonable approach to have taken though in planning. I also don't think they're suggesting it is the main reason behind losing a million pounds. However, the scenario in the planning would likely have made a reasonably big difference, all other things being equal. The daft thing was saying so - it makes it look like an excuse for the wider losses, and that doesn't wash. I don't know much about accounts, so I'm not going to leap to any conclusions about the figures, not least because there doesn't seem to be much detail. My layman's view is that if the training academy work/costs represents most of the million, then it can probably be seen as an investment in the future (as long as it is completed, is effective and doesn't just keep having big negative impacts every year for a long time). If the training ground does not represent most of the million loss, then that's more concerning I think. I'm not defending the figures, losing a million is never good. And I've certainly got plenty of issues with various aspects of the way the club has been run in the last few years. But I'm not going to panic and assume the worst either. In short (too late) we need more detail.