Rengade Master Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 I honestly think it is now possible they are waiting to see what league we are going to be in now! This season was all about bettering last season. You have to ask if we are relegated will we even be able to stay full time, let alone spend thousands on a new training complex for 3rd tier football! No idea how long a planning and building would take but if everything is ready to go and I'd presume the Purvis Group would be building it won't take too long to do what is initially required. They built a full brand new full size Astro at Fettes College last year in about 6 weeks with floodlights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosythpar Posted March 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 The work on the building had to stop because they have apparently disturbed the asbestos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secure Par Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 Still no news on the Astro won’t be ready for winter training? So where do they use for training? Pitreavie would be ideal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rengade Master Posted March 31, 2022 Report Share Posted March 31, 2022 On 29 March 2022 at 19:51, rosythpar said: The work on the building had to stop because they have apparently disturbed the asbestos. If this is true and the HSE are involved due to no surveys being carried out its not good news. Its compulsory for all buildings to be surveyed prior to any demolition or refurbishment work being carried out. All asbestos found has to be tested and removed as per the regulations usually requiring encapsulation of building or areas and all asbestos being gathered and sealed before removal. It can be a long and expensive process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mac Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 9 hours ago, Rengade Master said: If this is true and the HSE are involved due to no surveys being carried out its not good news. Its compulsory for all buildings to be surveyed prior to any demolition or refurbishment work being carried out. All asbestos found has to be tested and removed as per the regulations usually requiring encapsulation of building or areas and all asbestos being gathered and sealed before removal. It can be a long and expensive process. I just love how we jump to the worst case scenario... Even if I could stretch to agreeing our board of directors could be found wanting due to building management not being a strength (and ignoring what they said about the state of EEP under the surface when they took it on), it would also mean that Purvis who iirc are doing the works had also thrown away their professionalism... I know of at least three occasions where asbestos has been found in an older building as layers are peeled back for refurbishment; despite a three inch thick asbestos register detailing all known locations, programmed surveys and pre-works surveys. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piracy Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 I get the concern etc but I remain positive that we will indeed end up with a decent faciity. There's no real substantiation to suggest otherwise, only the usual conjecture. I'm absolutely sure that eperienced builders know to check for Asbestos, especially structures of a certain age. As the HSE will have been advised it'll need a licensed contractor to remove it. That involves a bit of organisation and things like this don't always move quickly. It'll happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosythpar Posted April 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 They found asbestos in the boiler room a couple of years ago and got specialists in to clear it out. The building has been up since the early 60s,so no surprise more has been found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piracy Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 3 hours ago, rosythpar said: They found asbestos in the boiler room a couple of years ago and got specialists in to clear it out. The building has been up since the early 60s,so no surprise more has been found. In my job it's frequent hazard. We come across both Amosite and Chrysotile regularly. Often we've to set up airlocked containment structures and all planned work stops till it's removed. Then a full set of air analysis procedures are carried out to ensure it's 100% clear. So yeah it takes time to deal with correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rengade Master Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 On 01/04/2022 at 09:28, Mr Mac said: I just love how we jump to the worst case scenario... Even if I could stretch to agreeing our board of directors could be found wanting due to building management not being a strength (and ignoring what they said about the state of EEP under the surface when they took it on), it would also mean that Purvis who iirc are doing the works had also thrown away their professionalism... I know of at least three occasions where asbestos has been found in an older building as layers are peeled back for refurbishment; despite a three inch thick asbestos register detailing all known locations, programmed surveys and pre-works surveys. I've worked beside Asbestos inspection companies in some of the most horrendous conditions, including the old Edinburgh Royal Infirmary which is getting renovated into homes, the levels of these surveys were enormous, in every area of the buildings, destructive and far reaching and we were in them on and off for over 3 years while the surveys and subsequent removals were taking place. We are still engaged in the project on a regular basis and to date no hold ups have happened due to further asbestos being found. I wasn't levelling any blame on the club, hardly their level of expertise. However if a pre inspection report has been done by a company and all asbestos outlined and removed then for further asbestos to be found is an indication that the survey was not done properly and that is now having an impact on the training ground refurbishment and potentially financial repercussions. However whether any work should be getting done without planning permission is another question. The last statement from the club on the training ground appears to be November with very little or anything since, usually by now you'd expect to see plans, artists impressions even 3D models but we have been told nothing just rumours. As has been said by many before keeping fans updated and engaged should be a high priority for a community club, hell we need some good news and encouragement at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mac Posted April 2, 2022 Report Share Posted April 2, 2022 50 minutes ago, Rengade Master said: I wasn't levelling any blame on the club, hardly their level of expertise. However if a pre inspection report has been done by a company and all asbestos outlined and removed then for further asbestos to be found is an indication that the survey was not done properly and that is now having an impact on the training ground refurbishment and potentially financial repercussions. However whether any work should be getting done without planning permission is another question. The last statement from the club on the training ground appears to be November with very little or anything since, usually by now you'd expect to see plans, artists impressions even 3D models but we have been told nothing just rumours. As has been said by many before keeping fans updated and engaged should be a high priority for a community club, hell we need some good news and encouragement at the moment. As you say finding asbestos and removal is time consuming and costly, unfortunately there are occasions in buildings that have been altered over time that you come across unexpected materials. The biggest thing is the club needs to communicate more; many of the issues and by extension thoughts of worst case scenarios are because of the information vacuum. However if they are going to communicate it has to be done well. We've seen what happens when a message isn't properly articulated in the not to distant past. Hopefully the new CEO is able to get this sorted, although I'm guessing that his 'to-do' list will be huge; not to denigrate the work done by those looking after the club before either!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosythpar Posted April 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 A company called Sports Turf dropping off machinery at the Civil Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digs Posted April 13, 2022 Report Share Posted April 13, 2022 20 hours ago, rosythpar said: A company called Sports Turf dropping off machinery at the Civil Service. They've started taking some of our groundskeeping machinery down there yesterday and some staff will be doing work down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piracy Posted April 13, 2022 Report Share Posted April 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Digs said: They've started taking some of our groundskeeping machinery down there yesterday and some staff will be doing work down there. Good. Hopefully start to see some progress for reporting back to the fans soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digs Posted April 19, 2022 Report Share Posted April 19, 2022 Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. a £200k grant from Fife Council towards the training ground. I assume we're getting this money as part of the Pars in the Community and proposed educational centre with links to the new Rosyth High School(?) It also says the money needs to be spent by November which hopefully should speed up the process(?) https://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/20075399.kincardine-rosyth-dunfermline-get-share-1-2m/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rengade Master Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 Just read the drainage report for the proposed Astro turf pitch, it’s basically saying from what I can perceive the full pitch will need a drainage system fitted as the layer below is heavy clay. In a 6 hour time frame it gave zero drainage. They proposal would then see the need to connect the drainage system to the existing sewer system. Page 17 onwards https://planning.fife.gov.uk/online/files/27924AE28A4EAF9F0F4C471E714B5291/pdf/22_02041_FULL-14B_-_SUDS_REPORT-3255546.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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